The governor is unswayed by the arguments of the state’s educators when it comes to how reading is taught in Massachusetts and how students are evaluated.

Despite pushback from the state’s largest teachers unions and the association representing superintendents, Gov. Maura Healey says she still supports a plan to require districts to take up an evidence-based reading curriculum and has come out against their proposal to remove the standardized MCAS testing requirement for high school graduation.

Many districts in the Bay State are not using scientifically backed methods to teach reading, according to Healey, and she wants every school to “get behind” her plan to make sure every kid in the state can “read, and read well.”

“It’s pretty clear and simple what needs to happen. There’s actually science-based curricula out there — the science of reading. There is a way to teach kids how to read,” the governor told WBZ’s Jon Keller. “Many of our districts aren’t using that curricula. They are not teaching kids how to read in a way that’s proven for their success.”

The Massachusetts Teachers Association and the Massachusetts Association of School Superintendents have both pushed back on a bill currently before the Senate Committee on Ways and Means, which would give the state the authority to force local districts onto an evidence-based reading program.

Healey also included $30 million in her fiscal 2025 budget for a “Literacy Launch” program aimed at helping schools that aren’t using evidence-based learning systems teach their educators how to transition away from outdated models.

According to the educators, forcing the change represents the removal of local control from school districts. Healey said she doesn’t buy that.

“For god’s sake, this is about reading,” Healey said. “I would hope that there are certain things we can all get behind for the greater good of this Commonwealth, particularly our young people.”

The governor has also come out against a move by the teachers unions to ask the voters whether or not passing the Massachusetts Comprehensive Assessment System test should determine if a high school student graduates. The teachers say the test is unfair and that it only measures the wealth of a student’s district.

The governor, despite endorsement by the teachers union during her election, said that sometimes she and the group will have to disagree.

“We may not see eye to eye on everything, but that’s just the way it goes sometimes,” she said.

The focus, according to the governor, should not be on teachers and if they are held to account for their student’s MCAS scores, but on whether the students are actually learning.

“It’s having a way to assess how our young people are doing, that’s what we need to focus on.” she said.